Undocumented Immigrants Steer Clear of Arizona

Undocumented Immigrants Steer Clear of Arizona

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PHOENIX -- People on both sides of the immigration debate in Arizona are skeptical of new research that shows a national decrease in the flow of illegal immigration from Mexico into the United States. But there is one thing they are certain of: undocumented immigrants are steering clear of the border state.

“I think they are just avoiding Arizona,” said Jesse Hernández, a real estate agent who works in the Maryvale neighborhood where the exodus of immigrants, due to the crackdown on illegal immigration and the implosion of the housing market, is especially visible. “They are going to California and other places. No matter how much worse things are in the U.S., they are still coming over here. It’s a human interest to look for a better opportunity.”

The survey, conducted by Douglas S. Massey, co-director of the Mexican Migration Project at Princeton University, showed that interest in migrating to the United States from Mexico has dropped and the net flow has gone to zero for the first time in 60 years. Apprehensions of Mexicans along the border have also fallen by 70 percent in the last 10 years.

Mark Krikorian, director for the Center of Immigration Studies (CIS), a Washington, D.C.-based conservative think-thank that advocates for less immigration, is also skeptical that the trend of migration could be changing.

“I think it’s clearly false. I don’t think there is any likelihood that we should see a significant end to Mexican immigration, without a change in U.S policy,” he said.

But he believes Arizona is a good example of how local state policies could be used to stem the flow of illegal immigration successfully.

“There’s no question that Arizona’s immigration laws have reduced the illegal population more than it would have happened without those laws,” he said.

Thousands of people left Arizona before the anti-immigration law SB 1070 went into effect last year. The law, considered the toughest in the nation at the time, made it a state crime for undocumented immigrants to live in Arizona and made them subject them to incarceration. Before it could be completely implemented, federal courts blocked key provisions of the law, leaving in effect aspects that prohibit cities and police departments from limiting immigration enforcement.

A study released last year by BBVA Bancomer Research, a financial institution in Mexico, found that 100,000 Latinos had fled the state in 2010. Based on remittance information, the study estimated that about 23,000 of them were Mexican nationals who returned to Mexico from June through September 2010.

Beyond SB 1070, says Krikorian, Arizona’s experience with another immigration law pushed immigrants away. That was an employer sanctions law passed in 2007 that made it mandatory for businesses to use a federal database known as E-Verify to check the immigration status of their new hires and also made them subject to penalties if they knowingly hired unauthorized workers.

It was Arizona’s success stemming the flow of illegal immigration that inspired other states to enact legislation similar to SB 1070, according to Krikorian. But he believes is too early to tell what will happen in places like Georgia that recently enacted legislation even tougher than the Arizona law.

Hernández, a former president of the Arizona Latino Republican Association (ALRA) who supported SB 1070 and employer sanctions, recognized that a lot of businesses had to close their doors when they lost Latino customers as well as workers. But he argues it is the underpaying of these undocumented workers that hurts the Arizona economy.

While the absence of undocumented immigrants in places like Maryvale left behind shuttered houses and closed businesses, Hernández believes it has also opened the door for reinvestment in properties by people from Texas and Canada.

Al Preciado, another real state agent and member of the Board of Directors of the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce has a different perspective.

“(The immigrants that left) didn’t cause the blight, it was the state legislators that caused the blight by enacting SB 1070,” said Preciado. “The same thing would be nationwide if we continue this trend.”

Preciado argues that the exodus of immigrants leaving Arizona has hurt the overall housing market by causing a decrease in the population that drives demand for homes.

“Real estate is really simple; demand drives real estate; what drives the value of a home is population. If you have no population, you have no demand,” he said.

A study released in March by the Center for American Progress (CAP), a progressive think tank in Washington, D.C., contrasts the economic effects of massive deportation with the effects of legalization of Arizona’s estimated half a million undocumented immigrants.

An enforcement-only approach could lead to a loss of 17.2 percent of total employment in the state and shrink the state's economy by $48.8 billion, according to the report. Legalizing undocumented immigrants in the state, meanwhile, could increase employment by close to 8 percent and increase state tax revenues by $1.68 billion.

Yet, defenders of laws like SB 1070, including its architect Republican Senator Russell Pearce contend the exodus of immigrants in the state has been a major victory to cut down the health services and education provided to their U.S.-born children.

Former Representative and Democratic leader John Loredo argues there’s nothing to celebrate about Arizona’s damaging of vital sectors of the economy like agriculture and construction by driving out their core workforce of immigrants.

“In reality all he (Pearce) has succeeded in doing is killing the Arizona economy and ensuring that the state is at rock bottom in terms of other states as they recover from this economic crisis,” said Loredo, who is also a political consultant.

It’s unclear how the drop in undocumented immigration could affect the rhetoric of the immigration debate in Arizona.

Earlier this year, the business community took a stand against a set of anti-immigration bills, concerned over a boycott on the state that has already cost $140 million dollars in losses to the convention and conferences industry since the passage of SB 1070. They successfully managed to muster sufficient conservative Republican votes to stop the bills.

But whether organizations like the Arizona Chamber of Commerce will continue to weigh in on these issues could depend on the political future of the architect of SB 1070, according to Loredo.

Republican Senator Russell Pearce could face a special recall election this November.

“What they choose to do in this recall election will determine how quickly our state rebounds economically,” said Loredo.
 

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Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

Canada seems to have a better temporary migrant unskilled worker program then ours, perhaps we should work with Canada or model our program after theirs to provide legal migrant workers for both countries?

Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

Apprehensions of Mexicans along the border have also fallen by 70 percent in the last 10 years.

The reason why is because you can't arrest when your higher ups want to make the numbers look better than they are.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

Apprehensions of Mexicans along the border have also fallen by 70 percent in the last 10 years.

The reason why is because you can't arrest when your higher ups want to make the numbers look better than they are.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

An enforcement-only approach could lead to a loss of 17.2 percent of total employment in the state and shrink the state's economy by $48.8 billion, according to the report. Legalizing undocumented immigrants in the state, meanwhile, could increase employment by close to 8 percent and increase state tax revenues by $1.68 billion.- I find this funny. 17.2% unemployment increase? How, what you're 17.2% is Mexicans leaving Arizona, thus increasing the job availability for tax payers. It means less of a burden on the Prison system, lower cost for unemployement payments, less food stamps. It provides America the opportunity to provide for itself and for us to work. There is no reason to have a high unemployment rate if we just lost 100,000 illegal workers. Higher taxes on who is working. Quit looking at the damn numbers, and look at who are in those numbers.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

What they fail to mention is the humanitarian reasons for laws such as SB1070. There has been a decrease in violence on the border since the law has been enacted. If the laws can stem the migration across the border, violent crime which turns the migrants into victims will be reduced.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 11 2011

HOW MANY ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE REALLY HERE?

In all the talks and discussions about cutting back on the US treasury deficits, both parties are refusing to consider in these antagonistic debates, the fact that illegal aliens are compounding this major issue; the dollar amount to the $14.5 Trillion dollars, in this miserable meltdown we are facing. The Department of Homeland Security estimated in 2003, that 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens had settled in America and 700,000 new people enter illegally and stay each year. That’s across borders, by lying at entry ports as tourists to the official. These administration statistics are somewhat suspect and may represent major under counting, as they are fashioned by the very people accountable for the tsunami of illegal aliens entering our country. An alternative method is used here to estimate a range of numbers of illegal’s that is probable more levelheaded.

The precise number of illegal’s entering the United States and the exact rate at which they cross our borders are unknown. Official government numbers are often hard to come by, remain intentionally concealed and are habitually sanitized, in the federal sector and states. This directed (CAPS) California for Population Stabilization to seriously question officials at the Census Bureau and (DOF) California Department of Finance, population figures on these numbers. As an alternative of the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens these agencies and the liberal progressives claim to be here, there may actually be 20 million to 30 million or more? Nobody truly knows?

The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year; an average of $1,117 for every household in America and that’s just at the federal level.

Freshman Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) added his name to 14 different bills on Thursday that would reduce overall immigration levels and work to end illegal immigration.

* H.R.152 - a bill introduced by Rep. Ted Poe's to improve border security
* H.R.310 - a bill introduced by Rep. Sure Myrick that would prohibit federal funding to institutions of higher learning that provide in-state tuition to illegal aliens
* H.R.691 - a bill introduced by Rep. Phil Gingrey that would prevent mortgages from going to illegal aliens
* H.R.692 - a bill introduced by Rep. Phil Gingrey that would end Chain Migration
* H.R.693 - a bill introduced by Rep. Phil Gingrey that would require all businesses to use E-Verify within 60 days
* H.R.800 - a bill introduced by Rep. John Carter that would require all businesses to use E-Verify within 2 years
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* H.R.1091, introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter that would require DHS to construct 350 additional miles of border fencing
* H.R.1134 - a bill introduced by Rep. Duncan Hunter that would prohibit federal funds being sent to sanctuary cities
* H.R.1196 - a compilation bill introduced by Rep. Gary Miller, the LEAVE Act, that would end birthright citizenship, require nationwide use of E-Verify, improve interior enforcement, and discontinue rewards to illegal aliens
* H.R.1459 - a bill introduced by Rep. Sue Myrick, the Scott Gardner Act, that would increase penalties for illegal aliens caught with a DWI
* H.R.1698 - a bill introduced by Rep. Sue Myrick that would increase fines for employers that hire illegal aliens
* H.R.1764 - a bill introduced by Rep. Charles Boustany that would end sanctuary cities
* H.R. 2000 - a bill introduced by Rep. Heath Shuler, the SAVE Act, that would require all employers to use E-Verify and strengthen interior and border enforcement
* H.R.2164 - a bill introduced by Rep. Lamar Smith, the Legal Workforce Act, which would require all employers to use E-Verify.

American cannot afford anymore to support the poverty of other countries. The final straw was learning from the (FAIR) Federation of American Immigration reform that a volume amnesty would cost to process everybody with all the FBI background checks, health checks and the occupied paperwork over $2.5 trillion dollars. This is incorrigible when 13 million Americans are seeking work and this country, is still in a recession and unlikely to climb out of this $14.4 Trillion dollars financial chaos for years. Every American needs to rethink his vote for 2012. Not for Democrats, not for Liberals and not for Republicans, but for this Nation's People under the banner of the TEA PARTY.

This is the time to empty the overcrowded classrooms, full with the children of illegal aliens. Give hospitals breathing space saving billions of dollars from uninsured illegal immigrants, who knowingly enter by foot, vehicle, aircraft or boat into the United States. Entering illegally in a violation of our national sovereignty and should be a felony, for illegal aliens and those who knowingly break the rules, including businesses. Start the Attrition by enforcement programs such as E-Verify, Secure Communities and support Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Utah and States nationwide who have no choice but to restrict illegal immigrants through police laws as their welfare programs are being sucked dry.

Fearful illegal nationals are bypassing Arizona and loading their possessions, heading for Sanctuary States as California, Nevada, Illinois, Washington state and many counties within particular States.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 12 2011

The new Arizonia anti-illegal immagrations laws are working.No big suprise . As with every other criminal law breaking activity it decreases as enforcement increases.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

If you the President would stop spending on Illegals and La Raza and Planned parent hood and Welfare users who use drugs and Foreign countries we would not be broke...stop using the S.S and Seniors on your ticket you fool .....why do you not support the USA ? Secure our Border and Stop stupid Spending /your stimulus is a failure........where are the jobs ? and why are more Illegals working in this country then US citizens?
This is what I sent the White House Face book Page

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

I don't care where you're from, who you are, or what you do. All i ask is that you come to the US legally, obey our laws, learn our culture, and learn our language. If you can't do that, I'm sorry, but I have no respect for you. Simple as that.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

The key word is "illegal". These people immigrate to the U.S., illegally. This shows that they do not respect our laws, so how would legalizing undocumented workers help? Are they going to suddenly respect our laws, pay their taxes, work instead of collecting government assistance? I don't see that happening.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

folks wake up! If one crosses the border northbound while smuggling drugs,contraband,,and humans then they did Not come for a job! If they are carrying firearms larger than a pistol then they are not smugglers but terrorists! They are looking for some Yankee honey to move in with and hide their presence! Ladies of Illinois don't worry until one of his amigoes comes by in a van!

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

And what does it cost to feed, doctor, house, and incarcerate these illegals that have overrun the state? I''ve yet to hear a pro-immigration advocate comment on that.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

If "conservative Republicans" banded together to recall the bill and Russel Pearce is recalled because of this bill they are NOT conservatives they are RINO's! Good luck Mr. Pearce! This is America! If you want to live here come here legally! STOP whining about those of us who tell you to come here legally and stop stealing our TAX dollars to live here for free education health care food and housing if you don't have jobs & don't pay taxes!

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

Let the economy crash! As long as those illegals are out of AZ., that's a win in my book. At least Papi can stay here while he does his time in Florence. Adios cucarachas!

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

Realistically we will never be able to stop the illegals from coming into our country,but it does look like the laws in Arizona and the other states are slowing it down, now what needs to be done is removing Obama from our White House and vote out all the liberals who support amnesty for illegals ( dream act) this gives the invaders more incentive to sneak across the boarders thinking they would become citizens because how on earth would the government really know how long they have been here or if they were born here anyone can get forged documents and they will lie through their teeth, plus the cost of background checks, health examinations would be through the roof and we cannot afford the process,it would be cheaper to put them on a bus or plane and send them back as they are caught,no more free rides go through the proper channels or stay home

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

In Utah, they say that our unemployment rates are down because there are fewer people on unemployment. I KNOW DIFFERENTLY! The illegal work force has forced many US citizens out of work and unemployment benefits have run out for citizens- therefore fewer people on unemployment! Facts are not always what they appear to be and any situation can be manipulated to get the "desired" results.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

In Utah stat's show a steady decline in unemployment rates.
NOT TRUE!
The illegal immigrant work force has overwhelmed our economy. Rates appear to be down because unemployed citizens benefits have run out ~ therefore, fewer citizens on unemployment. It really doesn't mean there are fewer unemployed citizens. Any stat can be manipulated to establish the desired outcome.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 13 2011

In Utah, unemployment stats show a steady decline.
NOT TRUE!
The illegal workforce has overwhelmed our economt, forcing citizens out of work. Many are accepting jobs with lower rates, but that doesn't mean they are able to pay their obligations. Unemployed citizens unemployment benefits have run out, therefore, fewer people on unemployment. Any stat can be manipulated to arrive at the desired outcome!

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

illegal is illegal ..come here legally .enforce our laws

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

I wish they were steering clear of Virginia. We are awash with illegals.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

"An enforcement-only approach could lead to a loss of 17.2 percent of total employment in the state and shrink the state's economy by $48.8 billion, according to the report. Legalizing undocumented immigrants in the state, meanwhile, could increase employment by close to 8 percent and increase state tax revenues by $1.68 billion."

What this biased report doesn't say is that unemployment of LEGAL residents will drop, thanks to loss of illegals who were taking a lot of jobs citizens do, contrary to the B.S. over spouted. And Valeria Fernández, stop referring to SB1070 and other such bills as "anti-immigration"; they're anti-ILLEGAL immigration. Stop joining the Open Borders Leftists in demagoging the issue.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

The boycott was a total fail. When you take into account the general downturn in convention and conference business AZ showed a net gain.
The 17.2 percent of total employment loss figure does not mean that the jobs have left with the illegals, it shows that the positions are opened up to legal citizens.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

The boycott was a total fail. When you take into account the general downturn in convention and conference business AZ showed a net gain.
The 17.2 percent of total employment loss figure does not mean that the jobs have left with the illegals, it shows that the positions are opened up to legal citizens.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

The boycott was a total fail. When you take into account the general downturn in convention and conference business AZ showed a net gain.
The 17.2 percent of total employment loss figure does not mean that the jobs have left with the illegals, it shows that the positions are opened up to legal citizens.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

The boycott was a total fail. When you take into account the general downturn in convention and conference business AZ showed a net gain.
The 17.2 percent of total employment loss figure does not mean that the jobs have left with the illegals, it shows that the positions are opened up to legal citizens.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

Illegals of all nationalities go to Canada because they get two years of free 'help'; housing, food, income. So, if there is such a wonderful welcome mat, they will flock there. That is not a model worth copying.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

Hopefully they are going to California!

Anonymous

Posted Jul 14 2011

I wish the idiot reporters would get it right.. it is anti ILLEGAL immigration legislation. People can still immigrate if they follow the rules. We don't need immigration reform, we just need to enforce the existing laws.

leenarino

Posted Jul 14 2011

I wish the idiot reporters would get it right.. it is anti ILLEGAL immigration legislation. People can still immigrate if they follow the rules. We don't need immigration reform, we just need to enforce the existing laws.

leenarino

Posted Jul 14 2011

I wish the idiot reporters would get it right.. it is anti ILLEGAL immigration legislation. People can still immigrate if they follow the rules. We don't need immigration reform, we just need to enforce the existing laws.

Anonymous

Posted Jul 15 2011

I see no problem with ILLEGALS avoiding Arizona. That means Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others are doing their jobs. My ancestors came here also looking for better lives, but they were LEGAL.
And they learned ENGLISH, paid taxes, acculturated, etc. , while waving AMERICAN FLAGS.
We seriously must take care of our own FIRST, and protect our borders and our property.
My wife and I move to Arizona next year.
Bill Tigue- Retiring English Teacher- Santa Monica, CA

Anonymous

Posted Jul 16 2011

SB1070 is not anti-immigration. It does nothing to curb legal immigration. It only supports enforcing existing laws about immigrating illegally. Therefore it is anti-crime. SB1070 does not attempt to circumvent any existing law nor does it attempt to create a new immigration program.

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